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| | To my knowledge, using brawl on any melee weapon is false, otherwise there wouldn't be a reason for keepers to choose a type 112 type sword (which has brawl) over a type 880 (which does not). | | To my knowledge, using brawl on any melee weapon is false, otherwise there wouldn't be a reason for keepers to choose a type 112 type sword (which has brawl) over a type 880 (which does not). |
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| − | Sneak attack do not ignore armor afaik | + | Sneak attack do not ignore armor afaik. |
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| | Not sure what was meant with '*any*', but a weapon do need be brawl enabled (some do not have visible req for it). | | Not sure what was meant with '*any*', but a weapon do need be brawl enabled (some do not have visible req for it). |
| − | | + | 'Backstab also locks the Sneak Attack skill a character cannot both do a back stab and then a sneak attack.' that is misinformation. //[[User:Basemetal|Basemetal]] |
| − | 'Backstab also locks the Sneak Attack skill a character cannot both do a back stab and then a sneak attack.' that is just not correct. changed | |
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| | :Since the official announcement about the addition of the backstab ability says that it -does- lock the sneak attack skill, i'm going to keep the guide as it is till you can demonstrate what patch this was changed in or I can get it confirmed some other way. I believe you are correct on the brawl ability though. I'm not sure about sneak attack, though my impression is that it does ignore armor. I'll get that double checked --[[User:Berael|Berael]] 18:39, 7 February 2008 (PST) | | :Since the official announcement about the addition of the backstab ability says that it -does- lock the sneak attack skill, i'm going to keep the guide as it is till you can demonstrate what patch this was changed in or I can get it confirmed some other way. I believe you are correct on the brawl ability though. I'm not sure about sneak attack, though my impression is that it does ignore armor. I'll get that double checked --[[User:Berael|Berael]] 18:39, 7 February 2008 (PST) |
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| − | fine, be wrong then<br />
| + | [[Image:Backstab and sneakattack.JPG]]<br /> //[[User:Basemetal|Basemetal]] 13:55, 16 February 2008 (PST) |
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| − | not changing anything as that seems pointless.
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| − | :That -would- be a demonstration that is -has- changed since it came out, which means I'll allow it to change. I don't resist better information simply because it makes me happy to resist it; I resist people simply asserting information without backing it up with some sort of proof. This doesn't require being snide, it simply requires proof. With a subject that has as much misinformation going around like the special attacks, I don't think we can afford people just coming in and saying anything without demonstrating where they got the information from. Now if you could find which patch that changed in from the announcement (if it was ever that way to begin with) that would be lovely. --[[User:Berael|Berael]] 20:26, 11 February 2008 (PST)
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| − | :'Backstab also locks the Sneak Attack skill a character cannot both do a back stab and then a sneak attack.' this is exactly what you are afraid of, misinformation. So the info-police add the misinformation and all else must have proof to correct it? Makes sense... So tell me what is best: - <i>lack of information</i> or <i>questionable information (in this case incorrect information)</i>? And well I'm sorry for getting annoyed when you just assume I made this up for whatever reason. I do know this to be wrong because I actually -play- toons with backstab (and if I did not play any such toon how would I know it to not be correct? The you just claim me to be plain liar?), and anyone doing so would easy see that this statement is wrong. I doubt this ever changed after beta stage, prov me wrong if you care, I don't. AO changes all the time so claiming outdated info (official or not) to be proof is just being silly. Do you have proof that it ever actually work like you did claim (that is -in- game, not in some forgotten announcement)? If you need proof for every single correction, then I rather not care. //[[User:Basemetal|Basemetal]] 11:16, 12 February 2008 (PST) | |
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| − | :: This is not a personal attack against you, its simply a matter of verifying information against what is already established in the Wiki. The goal of the Wiki is to get the very best information it can get on AO, but if there isn't some sort of accountability for the quality of the information be presented than the project is all but worthless. Somebody can just come in and say that "Abmouth drops Burdens" because thats what they heard on the OOC channel. If you find something that you know to be incorrect you can simply make the change and note why you think that change is needed in the summary or the topic. Maybe the mechanic changed in a patch, so name the patch. Maybe the write up is wrong on a point, so make the change and in the summary state how you know it is wrong: "I have a 220 adven and 220 shade, I know all the ins and outs of backstabing and I know this to be false." Above, you simply claimed it was wrong, without qualifying your statement, which is about like saying "everything you fry in goose fat turns to gold". Would you believe that to be true if somebody just walked up to you and told you that, or would you want proof that it is the case? A good example though is in talking about brawl, you noted that if you didn't need brawl to be enabled on a weapon to use the brawl ability than why would keepers use anything but 880 swords. That is an example of a good argument. --[[User:Berael|Berael]] 18:18, 13 February 2008 (PST)
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To my knowledge, using brawl on any melee weapon is false, otherwise there wouldn't be a reason for keepers to choose a type 112 type sword (which has brawl) over a type 880 (which does not).
Sneak attack do not ignore armor afaik.
Not sure what was meant with '*any*', but a weapon do need be brawl enabled (some do not have visible req for it).
'Backstab also locks the Sneak Attack skill a character cannot both do a back stab and then a sneak attack.' that is misinformation. //Basemetal
- Since the official announcement about the addition of the backstab ability says that it -does- lock the sneak attack skill, i'm going to keep the guide as it is till you can demonstrate what patch this was changed in or I can get it confirmed some other way. I believe you are correct on the brawl ability though. I'm not sure about sneak attack, though my impression is that it does ignore armor. I'll get that double checked --Berael 18:39, 7 February 2008 (PST)
//Basemetal 13:55, 16 February 2008 (PST)
